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What’s Your Song Perspective?

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One of my former colleagues, who had been a pop/rock music critic at The News & Observer in Raleigh, N.C., shared this meme that’s going around on social media:

Reading it blew my mind. I’ll hear “Piano Man” differently from now on.

It also reminded me of the reality:

How we hear songs depends just as much on the person listening as it does on the performer and writer who created them.

For example, when it comes to Piano Man, I’d never thought of the brilliant concept of Billy being a clueless, heterosexual piano player at a gay piano bar.

“That makes two of us.”

I will say I considered quite a while ago about Paul the real estate novelist and Davey the sailor both being gay. Whether Joel as the songwriter intended that is almost irrelevant.

The reality is that I, as a listener, brought that life experience and awareness of the closet and coded language for gay men to the stories of Paul and Davey, and that’s what they became for me.

I’ve had that experience with other songs, too.

I think I shared over at Stereogum how I heard the 1984 hit What About Me by Kenny Rogers, Kim Carnes, and James Ingram.

My take was not at all what I assume was the intent of the writers or performers.

I think it had something to do with the song ending on Carnes’ singing, “What about me?”

I’m guessing in the original storyline: she is the woman asserting her right to her own destiny and romantic journey rather than being the object of a tug-of-war between two male suitors.

In the story I’m hearing: she is the woman wondering where to go, after the two men with whom she’s been involved realize they have more in common with each other than with her.

Well, it’s within the realm of possibility.

Similarly, decades before Barry Manilow came out, his performances on Even Now and This One’s for You struck me as odes to a male lover.

This One’s for You has no reference to the object of the performance being a woman, something I realized as a listener in the late ‘70s years before I knew I was gay.

Even Now resonates with me as the story of a bisexual man who committed to a female partner but knew there was something of his ex that still spoke to him.

I realize it’s equally (or even more) likely that the protagonist could be thinking of a female ex. It’s just not how I hear it.

This phenomenon isn’t limited to orientation.

In 1985, when Bruce Springsteen’s Glory Days was a Top 10 hit, one of my colleagues on the student newspaper told me it cracked her up. Her last name was “Hayes,” and her sister’s name was “Laurie.” So she would tease her sister by singing along, “Laurie Hayes …”

To this day, it’s impossible for me to hear that song without thinking of a woman I’ve never met.

A rare photo of Laurie with her Elton John-uber-fan Dad:
B-B-B-Benny In A Dress
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I have a similar issue, although I find it an irritant, with Rickie Lee Jones’ sole Top 10 hit.

The tnocs.com Legal Department is on it, Chuck.
We’re shooting for at least a “co-writer” credit.

Has this happened to you?

Has something in your life experience (even a silly anecdote) informed the way you heard a song, making it completely different from how others hear it?

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Chuck Small

Journalist-turned-high school counselor. Happily ensconced in Raleigh, N.C., with hubby of 31 years (10 legal).

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Zeusaphone
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March 2, 2023 8:04 am

Clearly Ariana Grande and Jessie J are singing to Nicki Minaj in “Bang Bang”. That’s the only way that song makes any sense at all.

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March 2, 2023 8:41 am

There’s no shortage of songs where I wasn’t initially sharp enough to pick up on the intended meaning:

  • “Every Breath You Take” by The Police
  • “Don’t Stand So Close to Me” by The Police
  • “She Bop” by Cyndi Lauper
  • “Like a Prayer” by Madonna
  • “Today” by Smashing Pumpkins

And so on. And there are songs where it’s hard not to insert a more adult subtext onto children’s material.

“A Man Out of You” from Mulan is one that comes to mind (but given that drag queen Divine was a direct inspiration for The Little Mermaid‘s Ursula, it’s certainly possible that some adult subtexts were there to begin with).

I think I warped my brain from too many serial killer movies growing up, since certain songs spark haunting visions of grisly crimes. The two biggest contenders here are “Solitude” by Billie Holiday and “Hello Goodbye” by the Beatles.

I feel bad that such associations add an unfortunate layer of darkness over songs that never asked for them, but I don’t design my neural misfires, I just experience them!

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March 2, 2023 2:02 pm

Roy Orbison, reportedly, wasn’t thrilled with the way David Lynch reappropriated “In Dreams” in Blue Velvet. Because Lynch’s previous film was Dune, the organizers probably mistook Lynch for a sci-fi director. So they played the trailer for Blue Velvet. Silence, I mean, total silence, for at least five seconds, ensued.

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March 2, 2023 2:28 pm
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Interesting that Lynch was able to use Orbison’s “Crying” for Mulholland Drive, but I guess that’s because Roy had already passed away?

David Lynch is a perfect example of someone who can totally reframe a song by putting it in his film.

Also, Tarantino. I still cringe when I hear “Stuck in the Middle With You,” thanks to Reservoir Dogs. And I think he did something similar with “Cat People,” but I never saw Inglourious Basterds.

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March 2, 2023 2:31 pm

Good call, I still get squeamish too as soon as I hear Stuck in the Middle. 🫢

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March 3, 2023 2:34 am

Ack. I’m surprised my original comment sort of made sense. I left out the part that the trailer was played at a Star Trek convention.

I described it wrong. He was startled. Roy Orbison rerecorded his greatest hits with Angelo Badalamenti at the helm. I guess Orbison was begrudgingly thankful for David Lynch kickstarting his career.

It’s interesting how Alejandro Jodorowsky cast Dean Stockwell’s brother, Guy, in Santa Sangre. Like Jodorowsky was throwing down the gauntlet. Okay, Lynch, out-surreal me. Your move.

Good grief. I haven’t seen Reservoir Dogs. I have a great Threadless t-shirt with color-coded dogs, though.

My jaw dropped when I realized that Steven Spielberg referenced the same German filmmaker as Tarantino in The Fablemans.

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March 3, 2023 7:03 am
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I hear that people are loving The Fablemans, saying that it’s Spielberg at his most artful. To which I ask, “Hast thou not seen Munich?” Minus an embarrassingly corny scene or three, of course.  😀 

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March 3, 2023 2:55 pm

Spielberg contributed a segment to Twilight Zone: The Movie. It’s corn from start to finish. It’s the perfect film for the School of Sarris and the School of Kael to discuss.

SOS: You can tell it’s a Spielberg film.
SOK: You can tell it’s crap.

I’m on team Sarris.

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March 3, 2023 5:12 pm

The Fablemans is remarkable, as it’s a Spielberg movie, about a proxy of his family AND the love of filmmaking, and it’s somehow not schmaltzy or cloying. Really terrific stuff.

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March 3, 2023 8:47 pm
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Women Talking has zero chance of winning Best Picture. I’m a Sarah Polley fanboy. She purposely shunned superstardom; she is the Tori Amos of cinema.

It’s a two-film race: The Fablemans vs. Everything Everywhere Else at Once. It’s a dead heat. Even money.

The Fablemans needs to win, in order to stave off a future in which all event films get a theatrical release and all “prestige” projects goes to cable or the web.

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March 2, 2023 9:24 am

I would shake my head at people who would merrily bop along with Natalie Merchant, celebrating “the weather.” The protagonist in the song is clearly talking about a struggle. It’s one of the most spot-on descriptions of depression that I’ve ever heard, in song or otherwise.

And lest you all think that I’m bragging about my brilliant insightfulness, I assure you that I get these things wrong more often than I get them right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7bbWBXusk

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March 2, 2023 9:30 am
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but…but…but…it’s so – CATCHY!

(I’m horrible at picking out lyrics, so count me as the moron who did so)

On the other hand, “What’s the Matter Here?” is one of my favorite 80s songs, and I knew EXACTLY what she was singing about, and it hurt. You can hear the pain in her vocals.

https://youtu.be/m39DWVFK-Bw

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March 2, 2023 9:53 am
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Party Time Playlist!

“Today” by Smashing Pumpkins
“Weather” by 10,000 Maniacs
“Mad World” by Tears for Fears
“Perfect Day” by Lou Reed

Any other picks?

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March 2, 2023 12:18 pm

I remember the first time that my daughter heard Perfect Day. She was about 13 or 14. Her take, “I thought that for once he had written a cheerful song. But then he came in and Lou Reeded it up big time at the end.” Yep.

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March 2, 2023 1:10 pm

LOVE turning Lou Reed’s name into a verb.

I’ve been using “adulting” a lot this week, and my students know EXACTLY what I mean.

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March 2, 2023 12:23 pm

How about we throw in Paint It, Black by the Rolling Stones? And maybe Hurt, the version of your choice. I favor the Johnny Cash interpretation.

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March 3, 2023 2:43 am

I was rooting for “Hurt” to get nominated for Best Documentary Short Subject. The record company deemed Mark Romanek’s “music video” fit for a DVD release. No frills. Just the video.

I bought it.

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March 2, 2023 1:15 pm

Wouldn’t ANY emo song fit the list, as long as the listener didn’t understand the initial lyrics?

I mean, “Car Underwater”, “Understanding in a Car Crash”…???

But how about “If You Wanna” by The Vaccines?

https://youtu.be/uQKjI6395iU

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March 2, 2023 1:41 pm

“The Wrong Child” by R.E.M.
“If I Think of Love” by Lisa Germano
“Winter” by Tori Amos
“I Luv the Valley, OH” by Xiu Xiu
“Spinal Meningitis Gets Me Down” by Ween(Gene and Dean Ween invented the post-novelty song)

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March 2, 2023 1:21 pm
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And because Natalie Merchant isn’t a narcissist, on “Trouble Me”, she reaches out to a friend/lover/relative battling with their own bout with depression.

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I read once that she wrote that for her mother who was still attempting to protect Natalie in the face of her own terminal illness.

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March 2, 2023 9:31 am

Wow, I’ll never hear “Piano Man” the same way. It’s much better with this interpretation.

I’m trying to think of a song I have a different interpretation for but I can’t with “Flagpole Sitta” still stuck in my head since yesterday.

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March 2, 2023 9:48 am
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Same here. All day long.

So this morning, I’m out walking my dog at 4:45AM, sauntering down the street, and I realize that in not-the-quietest voice, I’m singing,

“PARANOIA PARANOIA EVERYBODY’S COMING TO GET ME…”

And of course, when I turn the corner, I’m face to face with a neighbor.

Great. Now I have to move. Just put a fork in me.

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March 2, 2023 9:56 am
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I mean…you weren’t wrong. What was that neighbor up to, anyway?

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March 2, 2023 9:58 am

Talk about “perspective.” Well played!

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March 2, 2023 10:58 am

Yeah, anyway, I mean, 4:45am is not exactly prime morning dogwalk time …..!

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Tell that to Goodboy. He’s an early birddog.

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March 2, 2023 10:16 am

Well, let’s see. I’ve never been able to not think about Tony Danza hearing “Tiny Dancer”, thanks to Friends…..

I always sing about the Bathroom on the right when I hear a particular CCR song….

Beavis and Butthead got me to forever change “Goodbye to You” to “Goodbye to Poo”….

I’m sure I have others that will try and monopolize my time while I’m attending a project management class over the next 3 hours. 🙃

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March 2, 2023 10:41 am
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I think of mondegreens as a separate thing from what the article is talking about

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March 2, 2023 10:56 am
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Shoot, I was hoping to slide by on that. 😁

Oh! I can call it the Forced Modegreen category then – songs you never had a problem understanding until you heard about someone else’s mondegreen, and that ruined it forever!

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March 2, 2023 11:09 am
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Like “Can I believe the magic of your size?” in “Will You Love Me Tomorrow”

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March 2, 2023 12:02 pm
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Well, yeah, I can add The Shirelles now to my list….. oy, that puts a different spin on that song!

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It actually doesn’t change the subtext of the song much if you think about it

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Only tangentially related, what’s it called when you misread something? For a second there, I thought you were talking about a car I’ve never heard of, the new Ford Mondegreen.

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March 2, 2023 11:58 am
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If there was ever a time for some graphical input from our gracious host mt, I think a Ford Mondegreen warrents it…..

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OK.

Roadtrip. Everybody in.

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Oh my Lord, that’s a big-ass Ford…..

Or, it’s as big as a whale, and it’s about to set sail, and it’ll seat all of us!

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“Fire and Rain” is sung from the point of view of the last human being who hasn’t been turned into a robot by evil corporations, and the computer is starting to take over his brain.

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March 2, 2023 11:16 am

I don’t know that this entirely fits but as you’ll see there’s a particular verse that weighs heavy on my mind. Perhaps it’s my own fault for spending too much time trying to work out what was going through Ringo Starr’s head and expecting it to make sense.

The song is Don’t Pass Me By from The White Album. Ringo’s first sole songwriting credit so yeah, maybe I just need to accept it isn’t perfect. The verse in question is;

I’m sorry that I doubted you,
I was so unfair.
You were in a car crash,
And you lost your hair.
You said that you would be late
About an hour or two.
I said, “That’s alright, I’m waiting here,
Just waiting to hear from you”.

It raises so many questions for me; did she lose her hair in the car crash or is this a separate unfortunate incident? 

Is she late because of the car crash or did that happen a while ago – what is the timeline of events here with the doubts, the crash, the hair loss? 

If the car crash was a while ago then why mention it as it doesn’t seem relevant. If she’s just been in a car crash and that has caused the delay then it can’t have been that serious if she’ll be there in an hour or two. Which pretty much rules out the hair loss being connected. I guess even if it was a serious wreck is hair loss even feasible?

How did we get from doubting her to just waiting for her to arrive – was it the car crash changed his mind? And if so, why? Obviously it wouldnt be a pleasant experience but as a judgement of character, whether they’ve been in a car crash doesn’t seem a good metric.

Mainly though the question I have is just, Why? I’m guessing he was looking for a rhyme for unfair and worked backwards from that point into a number of entirely unconnected statements that together leave me bewildered as to what the perspective is.

There you go then. I could go on but I won’t.

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You must!

When I was walking with my dog at 4:45 this morning, I didn’t think, “Hey, I’ll bet that I see a deep dive about Ringo-lyrics today.”

And, yet, gloriously so: here we are!

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“Deep Ringo Thoughts, by JJ”

How about this wrinkle – maybe Ringo had a thing for Jayne Mansfield? How folks spread the rumor she was decapitated during her fatal car crash because her wig was laying in the middle of the road?

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Interesting take, that was 1967 so could well be where he got that from. But but BUT!!! The character in the song has let him know she’s going to be late which suggests she isn’t dead. Or did she tell him that and the crash happened on the way over? So why is the song called Don’t Pass Me By if she’s dead – she ain’t gonna be passing anyone by. It just opens up more questions.

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March 2, 2023 12:42 pm

Maybe Ringo’s beloved was in a not-so-serious crash where she lost, not her real hair, but her wig. She was delayed because of the accident and the search for her lost wig. Or, maybe, just possibly, Ringo was ingesting substances that made the lyrics appear to make sense at the time.

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March 2, 2023 1:06 pm

No-no.

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He don’t smoke it no mo’.

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I really love “Don’t Pass Me By”, but those lyrics have always made three question marks appear above my head, too.

Sometimes lyrics that make NO sense (non-sequiturs) are delightful.

I am very upset that i can’t think of any songs that I have alternate interpretations of, which bugs me, because I’m sure that there are some.

Once I tried to twist the meaning of Rod Stewart’s “Tonight’s the Night (Gonna Be Alright)”. The actual meaning is kinda skeezy, so I tried to make it so a man was having a surprise birthday party for his daughter. He had to have her go upstairs while set up the party and poured tall drinks of lemonade. It was too hard, and I gave up.

This brings to mind (stream of consciousness) that I probably pursue these alternate meanings in songs that I like that have suggestive lyrics (which a well known prude like myself doesn’t like), and force myself to believe that they are actually singing about a ‘dance’ or something like that.

We need Brigit here. I know she probably has numerous songs that she has alternate interpretations for.

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March 2, 2023 1:07 pm

Bennie in a dress. I laughed out loud.

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March 2, 2023 1:33 pm

Sidebar:

I’m stealing this from the original TNOCS!

A colleague of mine is about two years older than me, but our musical tastes are about as opposite as one can get. He’s a huge Dead/Phish/prog rock guy (and a musician), while I am…not.

This morning I walked into his classroom, and he was playing Edie Brickell, and I was shocked. Turns out he like a lot of the early 90s indie/modern rock scene (Blues Traveler, Blind Melon, Spin Doctors), so we found some common ground. And then this band…and this song, which is my earworm of the day:

https://youtu.be/DsJ5aYK-S6Y

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Katy Tur is a Phish fan. Depending on who you are, that makes Tur cool/uncool, or Phish cool/uncool. Jam bands are not my thing. “Cities” is a live staple. At an Amsterdam show, he stretched it out to twenty-four minutes.

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It’s a tiny line, but I listened to “Senses Working Overtime” for 20 years before I realized that “All the world is football shaped” meant it was a globe, not an oblate spheroid.

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And biscuit-shaped is not a raised scone-like quick bread!

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I always thought “Daniel” by Elton John was about a gay lover – even the “my brother” bits struck me as coded.

Such an interesting dynamic we get with a gay songwriter and a hetero lyricist. It seemed, sometimes, that Bernie Taupin was writing as Elton’s persona.

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May 5, 2023 12:16 pm

I’m certain I shared this at TNOCS but I love it so much I’ll share it again: my kids grew up on a lot of 80s CDs from me and a lot of old horror and scifi movies from their father, and eventually my daughter told me that she had always believed “Karma Chameleon” was about Godzilla. Karma sounded Japanese to her, a chameleon is a lizard, in real life he was probably colorful, he comes and goes, and every day was like survival for the people of Tokyo.

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Brigita! So nice to see you!

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And you, mt! I have been too disorganized to comment here, though I’ve lurked a bit, but I’m doing some life rearrangement  🙂 

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